What happened to the 701 with swiveling nose gear ? - Zenith Aircraft Builders and Flyers2024-03-28T15:36:47Zhttps://zenith.aero/forum/topics/what-happened-to-the-701-with-swiveling-nose-gear?xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noKevin Beriault replied to you…tag:zenith.aero,2021-02-10:2606393:Comment:8144662021-02-10T14:50:17.554ZRichard Joneshttps://zenith.aero/profile/RichardJones
<p><span>Kevin Beriault replied to your discussion "What happened to the 701 with swiveling nose gear ?" on Zenith Aircraft Builders and Flyers</span></p>
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<p><span>I used a system inspired ibis in use in Columbia , it consist of a 50mm shaft a coil over spring , had to re enforce and enlarge the upper receiver and lateral pcs ... see attached pics , this allows me to adjust preload and do away the with bungee , it works very well</span></p>
<p><span>Kevin Beriault replied to your discussion "What happened to the 701 with swiveling nose gear ?" on Zenith Aircraft Builders and Flyers</span></p>
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<p><span>I used a system inspired ibis in use in Columbia , it consist of a 50mm shaft a coil over spring , had to re enforce and enlarge the upper receiver and lateral pcs ... see attached pics , this allows me to adjust preload and do away the with bungee , it works very well</span></p> I was interested in what happ…tag:zenith.aero,2021-02-01:2606393:Comment:8106172021-02-01T21:54:20.797ZRichard Joneshttps://zenith.aero/profile/RichardJones
<p>I was interested in what happened to that 701/750 with the O-200 engine. Who designed the nose gear and what material is it made from etc. Did it ever get flying and what type of service did it have.</p>
<p>Experience has been with both type of steering systems - (owned) Vari-Eze, Long-EZ, Cessna 172 and Piper Colt. I have built and fly a CH-601xlt. The Zenith's steering is on the bottom of the list. That is why I was interested in that airplane</p>
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<p>I was interested in what happened to that 701/750 with the O-200 engine. Who designed the nose gear and what material is it made from etc. Did it ever get flying and what type of service did it have.</p>
<p>Experience has been with both type of steering systems - (owned) Vari-Eze, Long-EZ, Cessna 172 and Piper Colt. I have built and fly a CH-601xlt. The Zenith's steering is on the bottom of the list. That is why I was interested in that airplane</p>
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<p>Dick Jones builder/pilot of N624RJ</p> What Gary and Don said. Kathr…tag:zenith.aero,2021-02-01:2606393:Comment:8105232021-02-01T18:34:31.750ZJim and Amelia Isaacshttps://zenith.aero/profile/JimIsaacs
<p>What Gary and Don said. <a href="http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2021/02/vans-rv-6a-n9136r-accident-occurred.html">Kathryn's Report: Van's RV-6A, N9136R: Accident occurred January 29, 2021 at O'Brien Airpark East/West (FD71), Branford, Suwannee County, Florida</a></p>
<p>Note the nose gear folded backwards. When (not if) you make your first "carrier landing" in your Zenith STOL you will be thankful you stuck to the plans for the nose gear design, to include tossing that old shock ring bungee…</p>
<p>What Gary and Don said. <a href="http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2021/02/vans-rv-6a-n9136r-accident-occurred.html">Kathryn's Report: Van's RV-6A, N9136R: Accident occurred January 29, 2021 at O'Brien Airpark East/West (FD71), Branford, Suwannee County, Florida</a></p>
<p>Note the nose gear folded backwards. When (not if) you make your first "carrier landing" in your Zenith STOL you will be thankful you stuck to the plans for the nose gear design, to include tossing that old shock ring bungee that came with the kit back a few years ago when you bought the kit, and installed a fresh new one right before hanging the engine.</p> With the original 750 bungee…tag:zenith.aero,2021-01-24:2606393:Comment:8075032021-01-24T13:18:27.815ZJohn Austinhttps://zenith.aero/profile/JohnLAustin
<p>With the original 750 bungee system, Zenith had a welded ring to act as a stop should the bungee snap and with the newer puck system, compression of the strut is limited. Looks to me with this swiveling system, the "suspension" is provided by gear leg flex and if it flexes just a bit too much, a prop strike could easily occur - there's simply no fixed limit of deflection of the nose wheel.</p>
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<p>With the original 750 bungee system, Zenith had a welded ring to act as a stop should the bungee snap and with the newer puck system, compression of the strut is limited. Looks to me with this swiveling system, the "suspension" is provided by gear leg flex and if it flexes just a bit too much, a prop strike could easily occur - there's simply no fixed limit of deflection of the nose wheel.</p>
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<p>N750A</p> One observation; this appears…tag:zenith.aero,2021-01-24:2606393:Comment:8073912021-01-24T03:47:03.864ZDel Cloweshttps://zenith.aero/profile/DelClowes
<p>One observation; this appears to be a 750. Note the windows. Doesn't change the conversation regarding the gear.</p>
<p>One observation; this appears to be a 750. Note the windows. Doesn't change the conversation regarding the gear.</p> Totally agree with Gary...but…tag:zenith.aero,2021-01-24:2606393:Comment:8072922021-01-24T03:44:40.977ZDon Morriseyhttps://zenith.aero/profile/DonaldMorrisey
<p>Totally agree with Gary...but if you're convinced you want this type of nose gear there is a product developed for nose wheel Van's aircraft that would appear to fit this type of nosewheel. But I still think it's not a good idea:</p>
<p><a href="https://antisplataero.com/products/the-nose-job" target="_blank">https://antisplataero.com/products/the-nose-job</a></p>
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<p>Totally agree with Gary...but if you're convinced you want this type of nose gear there is a product developed for nose wheel Van's aircraft that would appear to fit this type of nosewheel. But I still think it's not a good idea:</p>
<p><a href="https://antisplataero.com/products/the-nose-job" target="_blank">https://antisplataero.com/products/the-nose-job</a></p>
<p></p> I too feel that it will prove…tag:zenith.aero,2021-01-24:2606393:Comment:8073802021-01-24T03:04:39.474ZWayne Woloshinhttps://zenith.aero/profile/WayneWoloshin
<p>I too feel that it will prove troublesome, there have been many failures with the stock gear on bad landings on the nose wheel causing it to collapse. This doesn't seem as strong as the stock gear and may be more springee? Don't get behind the power curve for sure. Time will tell ,good luck.</p>
<p>I too feel that it will prove troublesome, there have been many failures with the stock gear on bad landings on the nose wheel causing it to collapse. This doesn't seem as strong as the stock gear and may be more springee? Don't get behind the power curve for sure. Time will tell ,good luck.</p> It's not clear if you are ask…tag:zenith.aero,2021-01-23:2606393:Comment:8070212021-01-23T16:10:21.251ZGary Welchhttps://zenith.aero/profile/GaryWelch
<p>It's not clear if you are asking about this specific plane - or about the design in general? </p>
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<p>I have no idea, and have never heard, of this plane. but if I had to guess I would say if it hasn't had a nose gear collapse, one is in its future... </p>
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<p>As far as the design goes, this is not an ideal off-airport design. The Vans RV's have proven this. I would say this is especially true for the 701 since a getting behind the power curve can result in a hard landing.…</p>
<p>It's not clear if you are asking about this specific plane - or about the design in general? </p>
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<p>I have no idea, and have never heard, of this plane. but if I had to guess I would say if it hasn't had a nose gear collapse, one is in its future... </p>
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<p>As far as the design goes, this is not an ideal off-airport design. The Vans RV's have proven this. I would say this is especially true for the 701 since a getting behind the power curve can result in a hard landing. This design does not lend itself to any kind of abuse or hard landings.</p>
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<p>A heavy O-200, like in the picture, would just exacerbate the problem.</p> Full%20Swell%20Nose.jpgtag:zenith.aero,2021-01-21:2606393:Comment:8062312021-01-21T15:47:21.354ZRichard Joneshttps://zenith.aero/profile/RichardJones
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