Carburetor Choices - Go With The TRIED & TRUE - Zenith Aircraft Builders and Flyers2024-03-29T07:24:45Zhttps://zenith.aero/forum/topics/carburetor-choices-go-with-the-tried-true?feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi all, I have an Azalea Avia…tag:zenith.aero,2019-05-25:2606393:Comment:6781002019-05-25T01:23:00.403ZJohn A. Minatellihttps://zenith.aero/profile/JohnAMinatelli
<p>Hi all, I have an Azalea Aviation 120 HP Corvair conversion engine in my Cruzer. We installed a revmaster 40mm slide carb that has worked flawlessly through the first 55 hours of flight. Engine turns right over but I select points to start the engine rather than the electronic points, then I switch to the electronic points before takeoff. Loads of power. Incidentally the best way to start my engine is to pull the mixture all the way out, set throttle for 1500 rpm and turn of the fuel…</p>
<p>Hi all, I have an Azalea Aviation 120 HP Corvair conversion engine in my Cruzer. We installed a revmaster 40mm slide carb that has worked flawlessly through the first 55 hours of flight. Engine turns right over but I select points to start the engine rather than the electronic points, then I switch to the electronic points before takeoff. Loads of power. Incidentally the best way to start my engine is to pull the mixture all the way out, set throttle for 1500 rpm and turn of the fuel selector valve. Begin cranking while slowly pushing in the mixture control. The revmaster carb does not leak fuel on the ground as long as the mixture is at idle cutoff, never the less like John I do turn of the selector valve after cutting off the fuel supply by pulling the mixture control to idle cutoff. This procedure works well in hot and cold weather and importantly when restarting a hot engine.</p>
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<p>John Minatelli</p> Since my engine was already i…tag:zenith.aero,2019-05-03:2606393:Comment:6756152019-05-03T11:29:05.464ZJohn Austinhttps://zenith.aero/profile/JohnLAustin
<p>Since my engine was already installed in the plane, I had my 6 cylinder EGT and CHT monitoring (MGL EMS), which is a must-have for a 6 cylinder engine. I wound up with a #3 needle (which apparently most Jab 3300's require). With that set-up, I was able to tune it so it was rich enough for easy starting and keeping EGT's in-check during take-off and climb-out, and then I can use the mixture control as one would with any other plane with a mixture control - leaning in cruise for economy and…</p>
<p>Since my engine was already installed in the plane, I had my 6 cylinder EGT and CHT monitoring (MGL EMS), which is a must-have for a 6 cylinder engine. I wound up with a #3 needle (which apparently most Jab 3300's require). With that set-up, I was able to tune it so it was rich enough for easy starting and keeping EGT's in-check during take-off and climb-out, and then I can use the mixture control as one would with any other plane with a mixture control - leaning in cruise for economy and aggressively leaning during taxi, etc. It's nice also to be able to deliberately enrich the mixture on a long climb to help with cooling on a really hot day.</p>
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<p>I read those same comments as you and it confused me - people were talking about re-tuning the carb for summer vs winter, etc. I've never had to re-tune the carb since initial set-up. I got the impression they didn't understand what that mixture knob was for on the instrument panel and were afraid to touch it! ;>) For me, the whole point of installing the AeroInjector was to gain that mixture control (vs none with the original Bing carb) so the engine could be more precisely operated for best power, best economy, etc.</p>
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<p>By the way, McFarlane Aviation makes a mixture control called "Vernier Assist" that is very nice. You can push-pull the mixture just as you would with any mixture control, then it has a vernier feature so that you can simply rotate the knob to fine-tune the fuel flow - I'm able to adjust the mixture up or down in 0.1 gph increments to really dial-in where I want my EGT's. Works great!</p>
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<p>John</p>
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<p></p> Let me give a few more detail…tag:zenith.aero,2019-05-03:2606393:Comment:6755412019-05-03T03:27:34.803ZMark Baenenhttps://zenith.aero/profile/MarkBaenen
<p>Let me give a few more details for posterity. Originally I ran the Aeroinjector on my test stand with honestly poor instrumentation - because it was a test stand and I just wanted the engine to run well. My EGT and CHT were not accurate and not set up well so I did not do the exact tuning procedure that was documented. My exhaust was a little grey so I thought I would try the 2.5 needle. With that needle my engine started fantastically in the colder temps but bogged down over 2200 rpm - too…</p>
<p>Let me give a few more details for posterity. Originally I ran the Aeroinjector on my test stand with honestly poor instrumentation - because it was a test stand and I just wanted the engine to run well. My EGT and CHT were not accurate and not set up well so I did not do the exact tuning procedure that was documented. My exhaust was a little grey so I thought I would try the 2.5 needle. With that needle my engine started fantastically in the colder temps but bogged down over 2200 rpm - too rich, no power. OK - back to the 2 needle.It ran ok in the cooler weather of the early spring but on restarting it was very easy to flood the engine and have a little extended cranking session to get it going. It did not feel smooth with throttle changes but i do believe I got the same full power and static rpm. I read a lot of comments on pilots getting very used to changing the mixture all the time for the circumstances - NOT what I am interested in. </p> I've had a really good experi…tag:zenith.aero,2019-05-02:2606393:Comment:6753422019-05-02T17:28:15.681ZJohn Austinhttps://zenith.aero/profile/JohnLAustin
<p>I've had a <a href="http://www.zenith.aero/forum/topics/airbox-weight-jabiru-fwf-kit-for-zenith-aircraft" rel="noopener" target="_blank">really good experience with an AeroInjector on a Jabiru 3300</a>, but it definitely took some experimentation and meticulous attention to detail in the installation to eliminate the "burps" or slight hesitation due to fuel vapor. Since the AeroInjector has no float bowl, I think it is critical to ensure that the fuel line always slopes upward to the carb…</p>
<p>I've had a <a href="http://www.zenith.aero/forum/topics/airbox-weight-jabiru-fwf-kit-for-zenith-aircraft" target="_blank" rel="noopener">really good experience with an AeroInjector on a Jabiru 3300</a>, but it definitely took some experimentation and meticulous attention to detail in the installation to eliminate the "burps" or slight hesitation due to fuel vapor. Since the AeroInjector has no float bowl, I think it is critical to ensure that the fuel line always slopes upward to the carb from firewall-forward so there are no traps where fuel vapor bubbles can accumulate and then pass to the carb - this is what causes the "burps." I also re-routed my fuel line to make it as short as possible firewall-forward and put a radiant heat-reflecting wrap around my fire-sleeved fuel line to further insulate and reduce the possibility of vapor formation.</p>
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<p>I now have a reliable "burp-free" installation. I've never had any starting problems - perhaps it's because I use an EarthX lithium battery - it turns the engine over so fast that I can't hardly count any blades before it has started no matter whether it's hot/cold weather or a hot/cold engine. The fast spin helps the mags make plenty of ignition current and likely the fast spin induces a more vigorous flow of fuel/air mixture from the carb.</p>
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<p>The biggest negative is that the carb will drip fuel after shut-down, even with the throttle completely off and the mixture pulled all the way. One quickly learns to develop a habit of killing the engine by shutting off the fuel selector valve to ensure there is no fuel available to the carb after shut-down. It is remarkable that despite the technique of killing the engine by cutting off the fuel, it starts next time near-instantly ... and this with gravity-flow and no fuel pump!</p>
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<p>I agree that it definitely is not a "plug and play" carb! I do like the simplicity (and the relatively low cost) of the AeroInjector, but in my case, the experimental trial and error of perfecting the installation became a challenge for me which I enjoyed ... probably because I finally had success! ;>)</p>
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<p>John</p>
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