The Viking Honda is for real. - Zenith Aircraft Builders and Flyers2024-03-29T10:57:59Zhttps://zenith.aero/forum/topics/the-viking-honda-is-for-real?commentId=2606393%3AComment%3A282735&feed=yes&xn_auth=noZenith.aero's forums are for…tag:zenith.aero,2013-10-30:2606393:Comment:3195062013-10-30T17:40:32.172ZJohn Austinhttps://zenith.aero/profile/JohnLAustin
<p>Zenith.aero's forums are for the benefit and enjoyment of Zenith builders and flyers. Topics and comments that are beneficial and relevant are appreciated. I think enough viewpoints on this topic have been expressed to thoroughly enlighten our members. Therefore, I'm closing this topic to further posts.</p>
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<p>Zenith.aero's forums are for the benefit and enjoyment of Zenith builders and flyers. Topics and comments that are beneficial and relevant are appreciated. I think enough viewpoints on this topic have been expressed to thoroughly enlighten our members. Therefore, I'm closing this topic to further posts.</p>
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<p>Zenith.aero moderator</p> Well Jan, my only answer to…tag:zenith.aero,2013-10-30:2606393:Comment:3194322013-10-30T15:44:14.277ZGeorge Thompsonhttps://zenith.aero/profile/GeorgeThompson
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<p>Well Jan, my only answer to this is the bible verse below. Consider repaying all of those people that you owe propellers and then I will think you are living in the present.</p>
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<p>I truely am giving you a kindness. Maybe a little time in the church will help.</p>
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<h3><a class="bibleref" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+13%3A7&version=ESV">Romans 13:7</a> <span class="note">ESV / 26 helpful…</span></h3>
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<p>Well Jan, my only answer to this is the bible verse below. Consider repaying all of those people that you owe propellers and then I will think you are living in the present.</p>
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<p>I truely am giving you a kindness. Maybe a little time in the church will help.</p>
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<h3><a class="bibleref" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+13%3A7&version=ESV">Romans 13:7</a> <span class="note">ESV / 26 helpful votes</span></h3>
<p>Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed. </p> Hi George,
Like you I've fou…tag:zenith.aero,2013-10-30:2606393:Comment:3195662013-10-30T14:26:10.745ZPaul Sandershttps://zenith.aero/profile/ukpylot
<p>Hi George,</p>
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<p>Like you I've found Zenith mostly very helpful though I've had a couple of support emails where I basically got called an idiot for not being able to follow the plans. Not very helpful but at least I didn't get kicked off the website. And I've also had great support when I've been stuck.</p>
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<p>As for engines, I'm probably going Rotax. Everyone says they got the crate, unpacked it, followed the instructions to the letter, started it up and they were done. No…</p>
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<p>Like you I've found Zenith mostly very helpful though I've had a couple of support emails where I basically got called an idiot for not being able to follow the plans. Not very helpful but at least I didn't get kicked off the website. And I've also had great support when I've been stuck.</p>
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<p>As for engines, I'm probably going Rotax. Everyone says they got the crate, unpacked it, followed the instructions to the letter, started it up and they were done. No endless support calls, fabricating bits to try and get things to work.... I could do that if I knew how, but I don't, so it is worth the extra $$ to me. Of course I'd love to pay less but I also want to spend time flying, not spend time debugging engine designs.</p>
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<p>Paul</p> Hi Paul,
How was your exper…tag:zenith.aero,2013-10-30:2606393:Comment:3193332013-10-30T14:13:03.222ZGeorge Thompsonhttps://zenith.aero/profile/GeorgeThompson
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<p>Hi Paul,</p>
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<p>How was your experience with Zenith? I am like you, a first time builder. I spent a lot of time looking around before I chose Zenith to buy parts from. I chose them because they had a workshop where they taught you the basic building skills. I got to meet most of the Zenith shop employees there, and everyone in my family participated as builders. We also got demonstration rides. </p>
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<p>The Zenith people were very nice to us and as a result I…</p>
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<p>Hi Paul,</p>
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<p>How was your experience with Zenith? I am like you, a first time builder. I spent a lot of time looking around before I chose Zenith to buy parts from. I chose them because they had a workshop where they taught you the basic building skills. I got to meet most of the Zenith shop employees there, and everyone in my family participated as builders. We also got demonstration rides. </p>
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<p>The Zenith people were very nice to us and as a result I decided to get a tail kit which I am currently building. I am having a lot of fun doing it. I found my buying experience with Zenith to be great. They delivered everything to me very quickly, and they have a great engineer over there that is really helpful when you encounter issues. </p>
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<p>Zenith also help me to machine some riveting tools, which they did in a prompt and quality manner. I have also been using the homebuilt.com videos to help me along, which were very helpful to me.</p>
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<p>I also met the ULPower representative while I was at the factory. He was very nice to us and showed us all of the details of their engines and fully answered my technical questions. It seems their engine is a bit more expensive than most, but very well supported by Zenith since they will sell you the engine directly as part of a FWF kit that has all parts and instructions on how to build it.</p>
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<p>I am considering the Rotax and Jaburu options too but I have pretty much ruled out doing any kind of auto engine conversion.</p>
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<p></p> Add me to the list of turned…tag:zenith.aero,2013-10-30:2606393:Comment:3194692013-10-30T00:11:48.638ZPaul Sandershttps://zenith.aero/profile/ukpylot
Add me to the list of turned off customers. I had a cheque ready to go in an addressed envelope but I made the mistake of asking a "dumb" question and when I responded to Jan's attitude in kind he kicked me off his yahoo forum. Only a fool or a rich man would give someone that much money for that kind of service.<br />
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This is my first plane, I'm a complete novice, I need someone who will help, not insult so I saved my money and went with someone who wants to teach me, not berate me.<br />
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I'm glad there…
Add me to the list of turned off customers. I had a cheque ready to go in an addressed envelope but I made the mistake of asking a "dumb" question and when I responded to Jan's attitude in kind he kicked me off his yahoo forum. Only a fool or a rich man would give someone that much money for that kind of service.<br />
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This is my first plane, I'm a complete novice, I need someone who will help, not insult so I saved my money and went with someone who wants to teach me, not berate me.<br />
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I'm glad there are happy customers for the Viking, but I won't deal with someone like that. Have fun living in the passed…tag:zenith.aero,2013-10-29:2606393:Comment:3194062013-10-29T23:52:43.783ZJan Eggenfellnerhttps://zenith.aero/profile/JanEggenfellner
Have fun living in the passed. Just flew with Sebastien this morning and we had fun.<br />
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Have fun living in the passed. Just flew with Sebastien this morning and we had fun.<br />
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Jan Hi Mark,
I thought about Jan…tag:zenith.aero,2013-10-29:2606393:Comment:3191342013-10-29T21:29:54.576ZGeorge Thompsonhttps://zenith.aero/profile/GeorgeThompson
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<p>I thought about Jan's engines too, but I am pretty dedicated to researching when I am going to spend a lot of money.</p>
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<p>I have read quite a bit around the web about Jan. It appears like he has burned a lot of customers on engines that were untested before they shipped. There was one engine that a owner recounted spending years trying to get to work correctly, that only had a handful of engines that ever got into the air because the owners could never…</p>
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<p>I thought about Jan's engines too, but I am pretty dedicated to researching when I am going to spend a lot of money.</p>
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<p>I have read quite a bit around the web about Jan. It appears like he has burned a lot of customers on engines that were untested before they shipped. There was one engine that a owner recounted spending years trying to get to work correctly, that only had a handful of engines that ever got into the air because the owners could never make them air worthy and reliable. The blogger claims that the reason why this happened is that Jan doesn't choose to test his engine configurations, rather he relies on his customers to discover and correct all of the issues that arise from his mistakes. This blogger claimed that Jan delayed shipments, in general shifted blame onto the owners, and refused to help them or gave them the most minimal of responses to their questions once the deal is made. </p>
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<p>You know how the internet is, You cannot trust everything that you read but when you read some of his arrogant remarks here and then you read all of his negative press then you begin to think that an accurate picture is being painted of his basic personality. </p>
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<p>Also Jan may have a bit of a temper problem as his arrest record is public information on the web.</p>
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<p>After reading all of this, I have come to the conclusion that I will steer clear of him as far as engines is concerned. I will choose something that has an established track record and generally positive feedback </p>
<p> </p> I was literally less than a m…tag:zenith.aero,2013-10-29:2606393:Comment:3193102013-10-29T20:58:35.707ZMark Maltaishttps://zenith.aero/profile/MarkMaltais
<p>I was literally less than a month away from pulling the pin on a Viking... I was doing final research on the purchase when I joined another forum made by Viking owners and potential owners to discuss issues that were not being answered on Jan's "official" forum. </p>
<p>Of course I did not change my username (the same one I used on Jan's yahoo site, why would I?) and lo and behold I got punted from Jan site!!! Just for JOINING the other forum. I have never said anything bad about his…</p>
<p>I was literally less than a month away from pulling the pin on a Viking... I was doing final research on the purchase when I joined another forum made by Viking owners and potential owners to discuss issues that were not being answered on Jan's "official" forum. </p>
<p>Of course I did not change my username (the same one I used on Jan's yahoo site, why would I?) and lo and behold I got punted from Jan site!!! Just for JOINING the other forum. I have never said anything bad about his product, in fact if you search my thread discussions here you will find me giving him praise for what he is doing for the aviation community... BUT now, after being treated like a criminal for just joining another unbiased forum I will never look at a Viking as an option. I wish Jan the best, we do need a cheaper engine alternative.</p>
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<p>Lots of unbiased (well mostly, some guys have been burned and vent here as well) info here...</p>
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<p><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Viking_Aircraft_Engine/conversations/topics" target="_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Viking_Aircraft_Engine/conversations/topics</a></p>
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<p></p> The problem I have is that I…tag:zenith.aero,2013-10-28:2606393:Comment:3192012013-10-28T14:22:16.655ZGeorge Thompsonhttps://zenith.aero/profile/GeorgeThompson
<p>The problem I have is that I will only get one chance to get this engine thing right, Even at 14,000, which is a great price I cannot afford to sink this much money into something that delivery is questionable and customer service is poor and rude. I have never met or interacted with Jan, but the impression I have gained from my reading his thread is poor. I would rather pay more money and be assured the promise of delivery date that is kept, that all parts are shipped on time without…</p>
<p>The problem I have is that I will only get one chance to get this engine thing right, Even at 14,000, which is a great price I cannot afford to sink this much money into something that delivery is questionable and customer service is poor and rude. I have never met or interacted with Jan, but the impression I have gained from my reading his thread is poor. I would rather pay more money and be assured the promise of delivery date that is kept, that all parts are shipped on time without the song and dance of you will get a free upgrade of a ECU if you will wait. I also want to know that the engine manufacturer is going to be around so I can get replacement parts for the engine. I want to know that the manufacturer will take my technical questions in a friendly manner so I can get his product flying without stress or delay. Jan has made a terrible impression on me in all of these areas so quite honestly I will pay more for a product that I feel will be better supported and reliable. I am making these comments in the kindest manner so that Jan will understand. My best suggestion to Jan is to hire a salesman to communicate for him in these forums and concentrate instead of managing his manufacturing so that deliveries don't lag for prepaid orders. If it means the price of his engines has to go up, then so be it. His product and public image will be much improved. </p> Wanted to see this link, but…tag:zenith.aero,2013-09-26:2606393:Comment:3134182013-09-26T18:50:33.641ZRandy Bransonhttps://zenith.aero/profile/RandyBranson
<p>Wanted to see this link, but it has been taken down. Anyway you can send it to me?</p>
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<p>Wanted to see this link, but it has been taken down. Anyway you can send it to me?</p>
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