Q&A - Safety Alert and SAIB - Zodiac XL / CH 650 - Zenith Aircraft Builders and Flyers2024-03-29T15:20:41Zhttps://zenith.aero/forum/topics/qa-safety-alert-and-saib?commentId=2606393%3AComment%3A39350&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI am stopping the Q&A and…tag:zenith.aero,2009-11-25:2606393:Comment:393822009-11-25T12:39:31.039ZMatt Heintzhttps://zenith.aero/profile/Mat
I am stopping the Q&A and replacing it with a new one, based on the latest upgrade drawings of Nov. 24, 2009: We've updated the draft Drawings 6-ZU-1, 6-ZU-2, 6-ZU-3 and 6-ZU-4, and LAA Aileron Balance.<br />
<a href="http://zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-ZU-NOV24.pdf" target="_blank">http://zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-ZU-NOV24.pdf</a><br />
Thank you for all your excellent comments.<br />
Mathieu Heintz
I am stopping the Q&A and replacing it with a new one, based on the latest upgrade drawings of Nov. 24, 2009: We've updated the draft Drawings 6-ZU-1, 6-ZU-2, 6-ZU-3 and 6-ZU-4, and LAA Aileron Balance.<br />
<a href="http://zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-ZU-NOV24.pdf" target="_blank">http://zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-ZU-NOV24.pdf</a><br />
Thank you for all your excellent comments.<br />
Mathieu Heintz Robert
I scratch built the s…tag:zenith.aero,2009-11-25:2606393:Comment:393612009-11-25T05:09:39.116ZJeff Garretthttps://zenith.aero/profile/JeffGarrett
Robert<br />
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I scratch built the stuff and it isn't worth it we have about $600 in it now and that doesn't include hardware so you will be much better off just buying the stuff from Zenith. They have to be in the red on these parts and I think we all owe them a huge thank you. It isn't many companies in avation that would do what they have done. Most parts you buy that need a required upgrade in avation will get you racked over the coals.<br />
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Leaving the airport now<br />
Jeff
Robert<br />
<br />
I scratch built the stuff and it isn't worth it we have about $600 in it now and that doesn't include hardware so you will be much better off just buying the stuff from Zenith. They have to be in the red on these parts and I think we all owe them a huge thank you. It isn't many companies in avation that would do what they have done. Most parts you buy that need a required upgrade in avation will get you racked over the coals.<br />
<br />
Leaving the airport now<br />
Jeff After talking to Roger about…tag:zenith.aero,2009-11-25:2606393:Comment:393512009-11-25T03:11:52.199ZJeff Garretthttps://zenith.aero/profile/JeffGarrett
After talking to Roger about solid Rivets and the different ways to extract them without damaging the hole I have found a almost mistake free way to remove them. I will post the video I made of it on here tonight.<br />
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One Note: Everyone in the forum or building a airplane has a local EAA chaptor near you and if you go visit them they will guide you to someone that has a 4X rivet gun so don't be scared of the driven rivets. In 10 mins with the proper teacher you will be a pro at it. To rivet the…
After talking to Roger about solid Rivets and the different ways to extract them without damaging the hole I have found a almost mistake free way to remove them. I will post the video I made of it on here tonight.<br />
<br />
One Note: Everyone in the forum or building a airplane has a local EAA chaptor near you and if you go visit them they will guide you to someone that has a 4X rivet gun so don't be scared of the driven rivets. In 10 mins with the proper teacher you will be a pro at it. To rivet the wing spar back together takes about 30 mins and you will see after watching the video I will upload that you can do it.<br />
<br />
Jeff I need to order a partial kit…tag:zenith.aero,2009-11-25:2606393:Comment:393502009-11-25T03:00:20.298ZRobert Reinerohttps://zenith.aero/profile/RobertReinero
I need to order a partial kit, I will be fabricating many of the parts myself. Please post a parts list with cost of each item.<br />
<br />
Thanks<br />
Bob Reinero<br />
San Diego CA.
I need to order a partial kit, I will be fabricating many of the parts myself. Please post a parts list with cost of each item.<br />
<br />
Thanks<br />
Bob Reinero<br />
San Diego CA. Will the solid rivets, AN bol…tag:zenith.aero,2009-11-25:2606393:Comment:393282009-11-25T00:37:25.794ZTerry Penderhttps://zenith.aero/profile/TerryPender
Will the solid rivets, AN bolts, NAS bolts, A5, AS5 rivets, etc. be included with the kit?<br />
Thanks<br />
Terry
Will the solid rivets, AN bolts, NAS bolts, A5, AS5 rivets, etc. be included with the kit?<br />
Thanks<br />
Terry Mike,
Yes, this could be done…tag:zenith.aero,2009-11-24:2606393:Comment:393152009-11-24T22:28:08.945ZMatt Heintzhttps://zenith.aero/profile/Mat
Mike,<br />
Yes, this could be done but when you see the new drawings, you will understand why we are not doing this. I believe that we have this all worked out.
Mike,<br />
Yes, this could be done but when you see the new drawings, you will understand why we are not doing this. I believe that we have this all worked out. Steve,
The retrofit kit will…tag:zenith.aero,2009-11-24:2606393:Comment:393122009-11-24T22:24:17.787ZMatt Heintzhttps://zenith.aero/profile/Mat
Steve,<br />
The retrofit kit will include the 5/16" bolts. If you have 3/8" bolts, they are fine. However, people who have 5/16" should not open up to 3/8".
Steve,<br />
The retrofit kit will include the 5/16" bolts. If you have 3/8" bolts, they are fine. However, people who have 5/16" should not open up to 3/8". Larry,
Solid rivets are excel…tag:zenith.aero,2009-11-24:2606393:Comment:393112009-11-24T22:21:36.705ZMatt Heintzhttps://zenith.aero/profile/Mat
Larry,<br />
Solid rivets are excellent fasteners as they fill the hole and by doing this, its better for fatigue etc. Also, solid rivets are significantly lighter.<br />
Yes, you can replace all the solid rivets with bolts, but the bolts have to be installed properly. Preferable into a tight-fitting hole, and torqued close to the max. allowable torque value.
Larry,<br />
Solid rivets are excellent fasteners as they fill the hole and by doing this, its better for fatigue etc. Also, solid rivets are significantly lighter.<br />
Yes, you can replace all the solid rivets with bolts, but the bolts have to be installed properly. Preferable into a tight-fitting hole, and torqued close to the max. allowable torque value. Mathieu
Since I have never d…tag:zenith.aero,2009-11-24:2606393:Comment:393092009-11-24T22:15:57.871ZLarry Whitlowhttps://zenith.aero/profile/LarryWhitlow
Mathieu<br />
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Since I have never driven a rivet that size and have no tools to do such, I'm pretty sure I don't want to learn on the wing spar. I'd rather use the bolts. So Two questions..<br />
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1 When you say rivets are preferred, is there a reason?? Do bolts have downside??<br />
<br />
2.Can bolts be used in place of all of the large spar rivets we have to drill out, including the center section?<br />
<br />
Larry
Mathieu<br />
<br />
Since I have never driven a rivet that size and have no tools to do such, I'm pretty sure I don't want to learn on the wing spar. I'd rather use the bolts. So Two questions..<br />
<br />
1 When you say rivets are preferred, is there a reason?? Do bolts have downside??<br />
<br />
2.Can bolts be used in place of all of the large spar rivets we have to drill out, including the center section?<br />
<br />
Larry Louis, at $352 USD, no tools…tag:zenith.aero,2009-11-24:2606393:Comment:392962009-11-24T21:12:49.528ZMatt Heintzhttps://zenith.aero/profile/Mat
Louis, at $352 USD, no tools are supplied in the upgrade kit.
Louis, at $352 USD, no tools are supplied in the upgrade kit.