Pickup kit from Zenith without crating? - Zenith Aircraft Builders and Flyers2024-03-28T13:55:15Zhttps://zenith.aero/forum/topics/pickup-kit-from-zenith-without-crating?commentId=2606393%3AComment%3A395252&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAll good Bob. I like the fla…tag:zenith.aero,2014-11-27:2606393:Comment:3962612014-11-27T23:44:21.624ZKurt Satterhttps://zenith.aero/profile/KurtMSatterPhD
<p>All good Bob. I like the flat storage loft idea. I'll probably do that while waiting for the kit. I've about completed a 13' worktable ... heavy as the dickens but I put it on casters.</p>
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<p>All good Bob. I like the flat storage loft idea. I'll probably do that while waiting for the kit. I've about completed a 13' worktable ... heavy as the dickens but I put it on casters.</p>
<p></p> When I went to the rudder sch…tag:zenith.aero,2014-11-26:2606393:Comment:3954452014-11-26T22:33:59.494ZBob Pustellhttps://zenith.aero/profile/BobPustell
<p>When I went to the rudder school and picked up my kit (601XL) I borrowed my brother's 15 passenger Ford van. I left all the rear area seats home and drove out for the school and kit pickup. The Zenith folks loaded it all up and it fit the van just fine. They said they preferred to load the kit rather than have the customer do it, they have it down to a science.</p>
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<p>If you are renting a 15 passenger Chevy that should work just fine (as long as there are no seats installed other…</p>
<p>When I went to the rudder school and picked up my kit (601XL) I borrowed my brother's 15 passenger Ford van. I left all the rear area seats home and drove out for the school and kit pickup. The Zenith folks loaded it all up and it fit the van just fine. They said they preferred to load the kit rather than have the customer do it, they have it down to a science.</p>
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<p>If you are renting a 15 passenger Chevy that should work just fine (as long as there are no seats installed other than the front two). Have fun!</p>
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<p>For skin storage I built a loft kind of thing in my hangar, basically a four by twelve foot suspended shelf. I used the layers of cardboard and brown paper that the Zenith folks packed them into the van with as storage spacers/protectors. I had not considered the rolled skins in big boxes idea, but storing them flat (in a space not used for other purposes) has worked well for me.</p> Great minds think alike ... I…tag:zenith.aero,2014-11-24:2606393:Comment:3953132014-11-24T20:45:37.133ZKurt Satterhttps://zenith.aero/profile/KurtMSatterPhD
<p>Great minds think alike ... I just got back from the local box company checking on just this idea. I went by there after visiting with the local Cargo Van Rental shop (Capp's Van Rental). The manager at the local office (US-75 North, my route to Mexico, MO), was fascinated with the idea of actually building airplanes. He's reserved their one Chevy Express 2500 Extended Wheelbase van for me. It is normally a 15-passenger van. He removes the seats for cargo giving a 12' 2" real, flat,…</p>
<p>Great minds think alike ... I just got back from the local box company checking on just this idea. I went by there after visiting with the local Cargo Van Rental shop (Capp's Van Rental). The manager at the local office (US-75 North, my route to Mexico, MO), was fascinated with the idea of actually building airplanes. He's reserved their one Chevy Express 2500 Extended Wheelbase van for me. It is normally a 15-passenger van. He removes the seats for cargo giving a 12' 2" real, flat, usable cargo bed length! I checked with the guys at Zenith and it's a go ...</p>
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<p>All great ideas guys ... but now I gotta go build a worktable rather than use the crate.</p>
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<p>Thanks .... more to come I'm sure.</p> Kurt,
Not to bug you...but,…tag:zenith.aero,2014-11-24:2606393:Comment:3950192014-11-24T15:37:17.808ZDavid J. Beaulieuhttps://zenith.aero/profile/DavidJBeaulieu
<p>Kurt,</p>
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<p>Not to bug you...but, I would highly suggest you roll them skins until you are ready to use them.</p>
<p>Just don't roll them too tight and tape the narrow edges on both ends to keep from damaging the skins. Wrap in all the packing paper you have and store in a safe location, preferably in a large heavy duty box - ( got mine from U-Haul) I was able to put both the O/B skin roll nested into the I/B skin roll in one box (for both wings) and nested the bottom skins (for…</p>
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<p>Not to bug you...but, I would highly suggest you roll them skins until you are ready to use them.</p>
<p>Just don't roll them too tight and tape the narrow edges on both ends to keep from damaging the skins. Wrap in all the packing paper you have and store in a safe location, preferably in a large heavy duty box - ( got mine from U-Haul) I was able to put both the O/B skin roll nested into the I/B skin roll in one box (for both wings) and nested the bottom skins (for both wings) in a separate box. In the case of the CH-750 you will have six separate rolled skins you can easily handle by yourself when necessary to move around or lay on the wing skeleton when the time comes.</p>
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<p>Good luck</p>
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<p>Dave</p> Thanks. I've been thinking t…tag:zenith.aero,2014-11-24:2606393:Comment:3951782014-11-24T14:04:51.724ZKurt Satterhttps://zenith.aero/profile/KurtMSatterPhD
<p>Thanks. I've been thinking the dolly/caster idea for awhile. The driveway into my garage is somewhat inclined (one problem), but if I just had a solid anchor inside the garage most problems would be alleviated. I have an engine hoist/crane, but it's usable lift height is insufficient to swing a 13' crate up and over the sides/wheels of a flatbed utility trailer (18"). </p>
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<p>Checking on possible upsized cargo van possibilities today. If I can get a usable 12'8" bed, I think I'm…</p>
<p>Thanks. I've been thinking the dolly/caster idea for awhile. The driveway into my garage is somewhat inclined (one problem), but if I just had a solid anchor inside the garage most problems would be alleviated. I have an engine hoist/crane, but it's usable lift height is insufficient to swing a 13' crate up and over the sides/wheels of a flatbed utility trailer (18"). </p>
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<p>Checking on possible upsized cargo van possibilities today. If I can get a usable 12'8" bed, I think I'm home free.</p>
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<p>Thanks for the info/input guys ... </p> I bought a partially complete…tag:zenith.aero,2014-11-24:2606393:Comment:3952652014-11-24T13:32:01.814ZJohn Austinhttps://zenith.aero/profile/JohnLAustin
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2171000562?profile=original" target="_self"></a>I bought a partially completed project that still had the fuselage and finishing kits packed and untouched in the "big crate." I was lucky to borrow (for free!) a 16' enclosed trailer. (A trailer is much better with the crate since it is lower to the ground ... unless you have a loading dock for the truck!) Tip if you go with a crate and a trailer with a drop down door/ramp - build two…</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2171000562?profile=original" target="_self"></a>I bought a partially completed project that still had the fuselage and finishing kits packed and untouched in the "big crate." I was lucky to borrow (for free!) a 16' enclosed trailer. (A trailer is much better with the crate since it is lower to the ground ... unless you have a loading dock for the truck!) Tip if you go with a crate and a trailer with a drop down door/ramp - build two dollies with boards of 2x6 or bigger lumber with a caster on each end and a cleat on each end to attach to the crate. Pry up one end of the crate at a time, slip the dolly under, and secure to the crate with screws through the cleats.</p>
<p>Two strong people can roll the crate up and into the trailer - it will likely "high center" in the middle, but a slight lift and it'll go on in. I actually unloaded mine by myself with my small tractor and front end loader - just put the bucket under the end of the crate and pulled it out! The casters were really nice as I could easily move the crate during the early portion of the build to re-position it occasionally to best advantage and out of my way. I will admit, however, it was a "red letter" day when that crate was empty and moved out of my garage! I moved it over to a barn, turned it on its side, and installed shelves for storage.</p>
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<p>N750A</p> Thanks to all for the good in…tag:zenith.aero,2014-11-24:2606393:Comment:3950822014-11-24T02:58:48.618ZKurt Satterhttps://zenith.aero/profile/KurtMSatterPhD
<p>Thanks to all for the good information ... Monday I'll see what the Zenith guys say AND check the van folks about a 15' truck ... Two fall-back plans: (1) covered 14' trailer and (2) take the crate (820 lbs !). Where/how did you guys store the long skins while building? I'll probably go for a shelf under my 4' x 16' workbench.</p>
<p>Thanks to all for the good information ... Monday I'll see what the Zenith guys say AND check the van folks about a 15' truck ... Two fall-back plans: (1) covered 14' trailer and (2) take the crate (820 lbs !). Where/how did you guys store the long skins while building? I'll probably go for a shelf under my 4' x 16' workbench.</p> Stick with the trailer for su…tag:zenith.aero,2014-11-24:2606393:Comment:3952522014-11-24T01:48:34.512ZPathttps://zenith.aero/profile/Pat
<p>Stick with the trailer for sure, The Zenith people are the greatest loaders, when they have something correct to load. Its more than you want to ask them to stuff in a van. Other wise for the 490$ is well worth them sending it. I didn't save much going to get it. I don't think to many do, its more the connection of it to your bird, etc... Pat</p>
<p>Stick with the trailer for sure, The Zenith people are the greatest loaders, when they have something correct to load. Its more than you want to ask them to stuff in a van. Other wise for the 490$ is well worth them sending it. I didn't save much going to get it. I don't think to many do, its more the connection of it to your bird, etc... Pat</p> I was informed today of a loc…tag:zenith.aero,2014-11-24:2606393:Comment:3950772014-11-24T00:18:15.065ZKurt Satterhttps://zenith.aero/profile/KurtMSatterPhD
<p>I was informed today of a local outfit that will rent me a 3/4 ton cargo van at a very reasonable price. I'm going to call Zenith in the morning to see if their guys believe the 701 kit will fit (split bucket seats):</p>
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<div>Length (seat-back to door): 10' 4"</div>
<div>Length (center driver's console to door): 12' 9.5"</div>
<div>Width (between the wheel-wells): 4 '4"</div>
<div>Width (of the console area between the seats): 1' 6" (I thought the longest parts - wing spars would…</div>
<p>I was informed today of a local outfit that will rent me a 3/4 ton cargo van at a very reasonable price. I'm going to call Zenith in the morning to see if their guys believe the 701 kit will fit (split bucket seats):</p>
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<div>Length (seat-back to door): 10' 4"</div>
<div>Length (center driver's console to door): 12' 9.5"</div>
<div>Width (between the wheel-wells): 4 '4"</div>
<div>Width (of the console area between the seats): 1' 6" (I thought the longest parts - wing spars would fit here)</div>
<div>Rear door entry height: 4' 1" also double side doors for loading</div>
<address>I have 30+ furniture blankets/pads and two rolls of corrugated cardboard (36" width).</address>
<address>If the longest pieces will fit, this is my best option ... no hauling a 14' trailer 1050 miles round trip.</address>
<address>Any thoughts ...</address> I Made dividers in my trailer…tag:zenith.aero,2014-11-22:2606393:Comment:3946892014-11-22T21:31:45.330ZPathttps://zenith.aero/profile/Pat
<p>I Made dividers in my trailer with my own wood. Zenith loaded everything one part at a time an put the paper and packing between. With dividers in place they just go to the correct divider/crate. It just keeps everything from flopping all around. If you can, make your dividers about the same size or a bit larger than the crate size they are telling you. Being enclosed you won't even have to cover. Safe air, Pat</p>
<p>I Made dividers in my trailer with my own wood. Zenith loaded everything one part at a time an put the paper and packing between. With dividers in place they just go to the correct divider/crate. It just keeps everything from flopping all around. If you can, make your dividers about the same size or a bit larger than the crate size they are telling you. Being enclosed you won't even have to cover. Safe air, Pat</p>