FARs for exceeding 30 degrees of pitch on takeoff. - Zenith Aircraft Builders and Flyers2024-03-29T12:27:09Zhttps://zenith.aero/forum/topics/fars-for-exceeding-30-degrees-of-pitch-on-takeoff?commentId=2606393%3AComment%3A142658&feed=yes&xn_auth=noMy fault; thinking one thing…tag:zenith.aero,2011-11-07:2606393:Comment:1727322011-11-07T13:19:44.821ZChris Aysenhttps://zenith.aero/profile/ChrisAysen
My fault; thinking one thing and writing another. Never notice until now. My appoligies Bob.
My fault; thinking one thing and writing another. Never notice until now. My appoligies Bob. Sorry. When you said bank ang…tag:zenith.aero,2011-11-06:2606393:Comment:1726172011-11-06T01:18:33.276ZBob Pustellhttps://zenith.aero/profile/BobPustell
Sorry. When you said bank angle in your post above, I thought you meant bank angle. I guess you meant to type pitch angle. I am therefore in total agreement with what you said above in the context of pitch angle. It is sad that one always has to think like a lawyer when flying in order to avoid the appearance of impropriety, as the politicians say.
Sorry. When you said bank angle in your post above, I thought you meant bank angle. I guess you meant to type pitch angle. I am therefore in total agreement with what you said above in the context of pitch angle. It is sad that one always has to think like a lawyer when flying in order to avoid the appearance of impropriety, as the politicians say. I know he was talking about p…tag:zenith.aero,2011-11-01:2606393:Comment:1714652011-11-01T12:12:05.482ZChris Aysenhttps://zenith.aero/profile/ChrisAysen
I know he was talking about pitch angle. In my opinion you do not HAVE to pitch that much for a normal take off.
I know he was talking about pitch angle. In my opinion you do not HAVE to pitch that much for a normal take off. Chris, he is talking pitch an…tag:zenith.aero,2011-11-01:2606393:Comment:1713322011-11-01T02:40:10.080ZBob Pustellhttps://zenith.aero/profile/BobPustell
Chris, he is talking pitch angle, not bank angle. For a bank angle to be considered aerobatic (and therefore, require a parachute for each occupant if there is a passenger on board) the limit is 60 degrees of bank. Aerobatic pitch angle is 30 degrees nose up or down. A high performance (or STOL type) plane can easily exceed a 30 degree nose up pitch attitude on initial climbout.
Chris, he is talking pitch angle, not bank angle. For a bank angle to be considered aerobatic (and therefore, require a parachute for each occupant if there is a passenger on board) the limit is 60 degrees of bank. Aerobatic pitch angle is 30 degrees nose up or down. A high performance (or STOL type) plane can easily exceed a 30 degree nose up pitch attitude on initial climbout. I guess we tend to want to sh…tag:zenith.aero,2011-10-31:2606393:Comment:1711142011-10-31T16:19:00.906ZChris Aysenhttps://zenith.aero/profile/ChrisAysen
<p>I guess we tend to want to show off our aircraft and its abilities. An innocent mistake by your friend broughtout the worse in an examiner. Sad really. But taking off from a paved runway should rarely require a bank angle in excess of 30 degrees. I guess we're going to have to practice our STOLs in an actual situation. I was not there but it's hard to support the Examiner from the info presented at this time.</p>
<p>My two cents.</p>
<p>I guess we tend to want to show off our aircraft and its abilities. An innocent mistake by your friend broughtout the worse in an examiner. Sad really. But taking off from a paved runway should rarely require a bank angle in excess of 30 degrees. I guess we're going to have to practice our STOLs in an actual situation. I was not there but it's hard to support the Examiner from the info presented at this time.</p>
<p>My two cents.</p> Here's a follow-up to this st…tag:zenith.aero,2011-10-30:2606393:Comment:1707452011-10-30T15:13:39.701ZDoug Colehttps://zenith.aero/profile/DougCole
<p>Here's a follow-up to this story. My friend just settled with the FAA, and got a formal "WARNING" letter put in his file for 2 years. The AOPA-paid attorney wanted to fight the charge, but the risk was, worst case, losing his pilot's licence for one year, and subsequently his job as an airline pilot, so he elected for the warning. So watch those pitch attitudes on takeoff if you are carrying a passenger!</p>
<p>Here's a follow-up to this story. My friend just settled with the FAA, and got a formal "WARNING" letter put in his file for 2 years. The AOPA-paid attorney wanted to fight the charge, but the risk was, worst case, losing his pilot's licence for one year, and subsequently his job as an airline pilot, so he elected for the warning. So watch those pitch attitudes on takeoff if you are carrying a passenger!</p> In my Kitfox I tend to do a c…tag:zenith.aero,2011-08-13:2606393:Comment:1454562011-08-13T18:28:49.430ZPaul Bonaserahttps://zenith.aero/profile/PaulBonasera
In my Kitfox I tend to do a climbout at about a 40% angle to mid field which puts me at patern alt then level out and turn at the end of the field or when the tower tells me to, we also have a FSDO on field and they have never said a negitive thing about it (only amazement) they seem to all be good people for Feds. Hard to make a turn in a stol aircraft that isn't 45%. On ck rides to make turns around a point I just point the wing at the point on the ground an make a 360. Makes canyon flying…
In my Kitfox I tend to do a climbout at about a 40% angle to mid field which puts me at patern alt then level out and turn at the end of the field or when the tower tells me to, we also have a FSDO on field and they have never said a negitive thing about it (only amazement) they seem to all be good people for Feds. Hard to make a turn in a stol aircraft that isn't 45%. On ck rides to make turns around a point I just point the wing at the point on the ground an make a 360. Makes canyon flying fun. In case you dont know Kitfox's have full lenth flaperons also and if I make a full flap landing I would be at about a 30% nose down on final just to keep the airspeed above 40mph. I do prefer to slip which would also put me outside the 30% mark. Hope I never see a Fed on the runway with a protractor in his hand as I'm sure when my 750 is done the angles wont get any less, guess we could just blame it on wind gusting?? In my friend's case, AOPA is…tag:zenith.aero,2011-08-08:2606393:Comment:1429192011-08-08T15:18:49.775ZDoug Colehttps://zenith.aero/profile/DougCole
<p>In my friend's case, AOPA is going to pay for 10 hours at $200 per hour (and it is going to take more than 10 hours according to the attorney) , so $2,000 for a $33 annual premium. It still sounds like a good deal to me. </p>
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<p>I'm just amazed at how the FAA can get away with this kind of stuff! </p>
<p>In my friend's case, AOPA is going to pay for 10 hours at $200 per hour (and it is going to take more than 10 hours according to the attorney) , so $2,000 for a $33 annual premium. It still sounds like a good deal to me. </p>
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<p>I'm just amazed at how the FAA can get away with this kind of stuff! </p> I dropped it several years ag…tag:zenith.aero,2011-08-07:2606393:Comment:1426582011-08-07T18:47:06.696ZJim Belcherhttps://zenith.aero/profile/JimBelcher
I dropped it several years ago, after I had a problem, and tried to use the legal assistance program. They would only pay $200 under the program, which was enough for 4 hours of one of the attorneys they recommended. Needless to say, any real legal action or work would need a lot more time than that. It came across to me as a waste of money.
I dropped it several years ago, after I had a problem, and tried to use the legal assistance program. They would only pay $200 under the program, which was enough for 4 hours of one of the attorneys they recommended. Needless to say, any real legal action or work would need a lot more time than that. It came across to me as a waste of money. no stalls or slow flight in…tag:zenith.aero,2011-08-06:2606393:Comment:1418092011-08-06T11:35:42.726ZTracy Buttleshttps://zenith.aero/profile/TracyButtles
no stalls or slow flight in the 701 then
no stalls or slow flight in the 701 then